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Not being racist: The new racism
« on: January 17, 2012, 07:53:32 AM »

Hahaha. So while many of you look at this topic subject and think: "what the shit?", let me explain.

I was accused of beign a legitimate racist the other day, which, as usual, I found rather amusing. Having the benefit of both caucasian and negroid genetics, I have often thought myself impervious to the label "racist". "I can make fun of both and it's not racist," I thought. And before you mention Mongoloid, I would state that I spent my first years of life in Singapore, the first language I spoke (apparently) was Mandarin, and I spent my primary school years with predominantly Vietnamese and Chinese classmates. Plus, y'know, I love Jackie Chan more than most people.

Having said all that, I spout some hell racist comments on a regular basis. And I played the shit out of the race card throughout my school years. But all have that has been in jest, and I have never been racist with any intent to harm. In terms of the racism I've received, I have had some legitimate threats, and violent action taken against me, due to the slightly off-brown colour of skin. However, my beef today is not with hardcore racists, who I mostly just find funny now, but with people who have the high and mighty attitude to tell me off for what they percieve as racism.

The most recent example being: A white lady told me off for laughing at a joke about black people. Her words were: "How can you laugh like that at your own people?!" I lost it. "My own people?!" What the shit?! Now, I know she intended to spare "us" (and I say "us" because I don't really count as black) lowly black people more persecution, but my problem was, she did it by acknowledging that she and I were different. I laughed becuase that shit was funny, and I'm just another guy who laughs at funny shit. Not a black man who finds black jokes hilarious.

Anyway, I find that the quest to avoid racism is more racist than racism itself. Any thoughts? Hahahaha.

Oh and PS: That black joke was: "Why do people call Black Folks "Mondays"?

The answer should be quite obvious. Thus the reason it's funny. But still racist. If that matters.
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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2012, 01:23:37 PM »

Hahaha. That f**king joke. There's a defender who plays for Brisbane Roar whose name is Matt Mundy. Can you guess what we call him?

I make completely offensive, inappropriate racist comments all the time. Doesn't make me racist. Just makes me a cunt.
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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2012, 04:34:22 PM »

i always love how people say 'i'm not racist, but...' and then the most racist thing comes out

so yeah, i'm not racist, but... seriously i'm not racist. i dislike all people equally. in fact, people are occasionally racist to me. i just don't let it bother me all that much, which it really doesn't
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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2012, 06:12:52 PM »

No one is impervious to anything. Yes, you can be racist.
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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2012, 07:23:36 PM »

Being around ash too much has made me a bit racist :elf_gloop: But that's because I've learned to lighten up on things and not take it very seriously. I don't really make racist comments to anybody but have mentioned it in passing with friends and family. Guess it doesn't count? My comments are usually not severe enough to warrant a lot of attention.

Racial stereotypes are considered racist, aren't they?
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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2012, 04:26:47 AM »

I don't get the joke. Is it an Australian thing?
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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2012, 09:36:53 AM »

Nobody likes Mondays.
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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2012, 10:21:36 AM »

While the topic is fresh lets throw something related in to the argument.

Which is worse.

"Discrimination" or "Positive Discrimintaion"

I mention it because I've just applied for a promotion at work and because of our Disabilities Discrimination Act, there must be a positive effect in helping disabled people in to work. Now that in it's self I have no issue with. It's a good thing as disabled people have as much right to work as any one else.

But when there are targets to say that ideally 10% of the workforce should be representative of having a recognised disabilty doesn't that mean that, at some point according to the laws of probablity, a non-disable person will be disadvantaged over a less suitable candiate purely on the grounds of disability to meet targets?

And of course the same can be said of race, age, sex, or sexual orientation. I'll say lastly that in an ideal world the MOST SUITABLE candiate should ALWAYS get the job regardless of who they are.

If a selection commitee cannot choose between a black person or a disabled person with out bringing (possitive) discrimination in to it then they aren't doing the job properly.
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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2012, 04:34:29 PM »

I don't get the joke. Is it an Australian thing?

To be racist? So I keep hearing...
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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2012, 11:24:00 AM »

While the topic is fresh lets throw something related in to the argument.

Which is worse.

"Discrimination" or "Positive Discrimintaion"

I mention it because I've just applied for a promotion at work and because of our Disabilities Discrimination Act, there must be a positive effect in helping disabled people in to work. Now that in it's self I have no issue with. It's a good thing as disabled people have as much right to work as any one else.

But when there are targets to say that ideally 10% of the workforce should be representative of having a recognised disabilty doesn't that mean that, at some point according to the laws of probablity, a non-disable person will be disadvantaged over a less suitable candiate purely on the grounds of disability to meet targets?

And of course the same can be said of race, age, sex, or sexual orientation. I'll say lastly that in an ideal world the MOST SUITABLE candiate should ALWAYS get the job regardless of who they are.

If a selection commitee cannot choose between a black person or a disabled person with out bringing (possitive) discrimination in to it then they aren't doing the job properly.

there's a lot of that here as well, mostly in government-jobs. it is the idea that the state job-force should be a depiction of the nation/city/state or whatever. so in the city where i lived roughly 50 percent of the people was of foreign descent (meaning that they where coloured in this case, cause for some reason this didn't include people from Belgium or Eastern Europe or any other European country). that means that people of colour are given preference over people who are not. this always bugs me, for i feel the most capable person should be given the job, no matter the colour of his or her skin...

also, there are a lot of women claiming that, in order to break that glass ceiling, they want preference over males when it comes to the jobs higher on the ladder. also saying that the nations work force should be a depiction of the nation. the thing that annoys me in this (apart from the fact that i do not support it at all, for i still feel the most capable person should be given the job) is this only goes for the high end jobs, and not for, say, garbage-man or construction worker, because its okay if the shitty jobs are filled by men only
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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2012, 02:13:07 AM »

While the topic is fresh lets throw something related in to the argument.

Which is worse.

"Discrimination" or "Positive Discrimintaion"

I mention it because I've just applied for a promotion at work and because of our Disabilities Discrimination Act, there must be a positive effect in helping disabled people in to work. Now that in it's self I have no issue with. It's a good thing as disabled people have as much right to work as any one else.

But when there are targets to say that ideally 10% of the workforce should be representative of having a recognised disabilty doesn't that mean that, at some point according to the laws of probablity, a non-disable person will be disadvantaged over a less suitable candiate purely on the grounds of disability to meet targets?

And of course the same can be said of race, age, sex, or sexual orientation. I'll say lastly that in an ideal world the MOST SUITABLE candiate should ALWAYS get the job regardless of who they are.

If a selection commitee cannot choose between a black person or a disabled person with out bringing (possitive) discrimination in to it then they aren't doing the job properly.

there's a lot of that here as well, mostly in government-jobs. it is the idea that the state job-force should be a depiction of the nation/city/state or whatever. so in the city where i lived roughly 50 percent of the people was of foreign descent (meaning that they where coloured in this case, cause for some reason this didn't include people from Belgium or Eastern Europe or any other European country). that means that people of colour are given preference over people who are not. this always bugs me, for i feel the most capable person should be given the job, no matter the colour of his or her skin...

also, there are a lot of women claiming that, in order to break that glass ceiling, they want preference over males when it comes to the jobs higher on the ladder. also saying that the nations work force should be a depiction of the nation. the thing that annoys me in this (apart from the fact that i do not support it at all, for i still feel the most capable person should be given the job) is this only goes for the high end jobs, and not for, say, garbage-man or construction worker, because its okay if the shitty jobs are filled by men only.

Interestingly, "positive discrimination" is literally illegal in the US. Quotas are a no-no, although vague preferences are kind of okay. Interestingly, it benefitted white women most of all, and arguably harmed people of color, in that "You're only here because ____" or similar attitudes.
But on the other hand, you guys, men and especially white men have so much going for them to start with. Analogy: we're all playing a card game, but old white guys made up the rules and dealt the cards and never told the rest of us what the rules were or what game we were playing. Saying "the most capable person should be given the job" often equates to "the most qualified person" which often means "the person who plays the game best/ who knows the rules/ who has had the opportunity to gain qualifications/ who started out ahead". I wish that there didn't need to be a mechanism to favor women and people of color (pardon my political correctness, it's habit), but the race is weighted to begin with. It's not an ideal world, and mechanisms that on the surface favor slightly less qualified candidates may be better off for everyone eventually.

P.S.: There are a lot of "shitty" jobs filled primarily by women, like nursing and possibly teaching (that may not count as shitty, but it depends where you're talking about), or low level retail clerks (the US Supreme Court dismissed a class action case against Wal-Mart made by million-plus women workers that they didn't get promoted or paid like men did). There are far fewer women in high positions of power. We make less, on average, on the order of 75% for the same job, same time span -- less if you include time taken off for parenting, or career opportunities lost for the same. Latina and Black women make closer to 60% of the white man's salary.



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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2012, 09:55:41 AM »

nursing and teaching are pretty well respected jobs, both require an education and get decent pay. cleaning is something a lot of women do, but men as well. in the place i work the cleaning staff is entirely male
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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2012, 05:40:27 AM »

So, I was covering courts for work today, and three different staff asked "where and when I was appearing?". Black man can't be at court for any other reason than appearing before a judge, apparently.
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Re: Not being racist: The new racism
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2012, 06:13:21 AM »

And then, feeling shame at their gaffe, they offered you a bucket of fried chicken by way of apology.

It all evens out.
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