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Documentary film.
« on: July 22, 2010, 02:16:59 AM »

I've been watching some documentaries lately, some of which where slightly interested. Decided to create a thread to discuss some, so i don't have to pollute the movies thread.

I just watched Bill Mahers Religulous on religion. I find it hard to hear Maher say that he dislikes religion for the lack of proof, while he has some pretty radical views on medication in general. But the film was easy, predictable and didn't really tell anything new. Apart from that, it was really fun to watched and had some pretty funny interviews. But it's easy to bash christians, and Maher did it easily...

Here are some thoughts of me from other documentaries i watched (which where originally posted on the temp HoW)

Who Killed the Electric Car:
yesterday i watched the documentary Who Killed the Electric Car. In 1990 the state of California declared that for a car-manufacturer to sell cars in the state, by 1998 two percent of the cars must be emission free. General Motors (who's headquarters already look like the layer of an evil king) developed the GM Ev1; an electric car that looked pretty sweet, could get relatively far on one charge (about 60- 80 miles, and was therefor fit to use for the 90 percent of the car-drivers, since the average distance people drove per day was 29 miles) and was fast and quiet, and best of all it was emission free and. GM leased the cars to people who wanted it. Not expecting too many people to want one, the GM waiting list for this car soon reached 10000 people. So GM decided to complain to the authorities, and they decided that they didn't need to produce the 2 percent emission free cars if they could prove that there was no demand for these cars. This was after the authorities installed an infrastructure in California with electric charging points. After going through great lenghts to prove the car was not in demand, wich the documentary shows untrue, GM pulled the plug on the project and recalled the Ev1's and had them destroyed. The people who leased them where all willing to buy the car for the price of 34000 dollars, which was the price GM would claim it eventually sell for, but GM refused... The documentary, which was actually pretty nice and well narrated by Martin Sheen, tries to explain why the project was cancelled, only to find out that the car companies, the oil companies but also the consumer where to blame

Food Inc:
Anyway, i'm just done watching Food Inc, which was a lovely insight into the US meat industry. I can go around criticising the US food industry, but i honestly don't know how things are around here. I've never heard of people dying of Ecoli because of contaminated meat in the EU, or of people getting Genetical Engineerd food without knowing it. And i do know that in the US, the meat for the European market has to be slaughtered seperately from the meat for the US citizens. European Union regulations are good for something that is true, but i can't give a good insight in how things are here...

Monster Camp:
Also watched Monster Camp, which is about a chapter of LARP-ers in Seattle. It's easy to make fun of people who LARP, and truth be told it can look rather ridiculous, but it's one of most harmless things one can do to release pressure. And the LARP-ers seemed to be really enjoying themselves. I can understand the appeal. Anyway, the movie wasn't great, but wasn't trying to make fun of the LARP-ers. Don't know if it wasn't a great insight into the culture

The Future of Food:
Watched the docu The Future of Food yesterday. Its a film on the American farmers, and how they suffer from genetically engineerd produce and the American patent regulations. According to this film, the US is one of the few countries where engineerd food is allowed, and where it can even be found in baby food. The big evil corporation in this all apparently is the Monsanto corporation, who keeps on suing farmers who build produce which the corporation patented. Yes, they patent food...
I don't go around believing everything i see or read, and my studies always taught me to have a critical approach. But this documentary, as well as quite some other i've seen lately, have led me to believe that there is a huge conflict of interests in the US goverment, nearing corruption. Ex-CEO's for the Monsanto corporation are now in the Senate, and can easily go back to Monsanto once their term is finished. The corporation also finances election campaigns for people who want to be in the office. Michael Moore showed the same in his pic Sicko, only from the side of the Healthcare business

Sicko:
watched the Michael Moore documentary Sicko the other day, on the American health insurance business. i know Moore's bits need to be taken with a bit of salt, but what he sketched the US as some sort of third world country.
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Re: Documentary film.
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2010, 11:05:14 PM »

just watched The King of Kong, on the world record Donkey Kong. A truly great film. Steve Wiebe is awesome

Also watched Last Cup: the Road to the World Series of Beer Pong. was enjoyable, but nothing too exciting
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2010, 12:19:10 AM »

Just found this astronomy series on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/show/cosmicjourneys

Just saw two episodes and they're quite nice!
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2010, 11:08:49 AM »

just watched the documentary GasLand, which was an insight in how corporate America (in this case the gas industry; dick cheneys heritage) can screw with the us citizens. definitely a recommended watch. apart from the shocking message, it is also an excellent shot and narrated film
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2010, 11:50:50 PM »

just watched The Devil and Daniel Johnston. it was a sad tale of a mediocre songwriter. it was an well made film, but Daniel Johnston unfortunately isn't interesting enough to be the subject of such a film. he's a sad case and you really feel sorry for him
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Re: Documentary film.
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2010, 12:21:51 PM »

have you seen zeitgeist baz?
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Re: Documentary film.
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2010, 01:10:21 PM »

i didn't really care for Zeitgeist. I like the idea of being sceptical towards the people who make and break the rules, but conspiracy theories i can't get. it's documentaries like Zeitgeist and Loose Change that push the wrong buttons. i know every documentary maker has an agenda, especially people like Micheal Moore, but Zeitgeist i can't believe
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2010, 01:17:36 PM »

I think it makes some pretty good points and raises some excellent questions. its been ages since i watched it though, I found it pretty depressing. What couldn't you believe about it? It's pretty well researched.

Kymatica is a similar doco but that left me feeling more positive.
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Re: Documentary film.
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2010, 01:08:22 AM »

Heh. I think the part where they said that 9/11 was orchestrated by the US goverment in order to start a War on Terror and generate Economic Growth. I don't know about you, but that's the kind of stuff i am not buying, and i don't believe that anyone with half a mind should believe that. Even the stuff about the WTC buildings that supposedly had 'controlled demolitions' is not something i'm willing to believe. I say you'd watch that movie again Ash, and now be a bit more sceptical at the beginning. I believe there might be something wrong in the US government and corporate America, but i do not believe they would physically harm people for their financial and politcal growth.

Anyway, i just watched Outfoxed, a documentary on Fox News. It's about how Fox claims to have a fair and balanced view, but pretty much has its own agenda. It was old news, the documentary was not really well made, and it was as biased as Fox news is biased. And that is a lot.

I also watched The Yes-Men Fix the World. actually a pretty cool film of some dudes who with the help of elaborate Hoaxes try to get their anti-globalisation agenda across. liked it
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Re: Documentary film.
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2010, 01:58:20 AM »

but i do not believe they would physically harm people for their financial and politcal growth
If it were necessary? Hmm...

I liked the documentary for the most part. It was thought provoking.
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2010, 07:57:23 AM »

I also watched The Yes-Men Fix the World. actually a pretty cool film of some dudes who with the help of elaborate Hoaxes try to get their anti-globalisation agenda across. liked it

Those guys are great! Yes Men is one of the few documentaries I've seen in the last couple of years, and found it to be very intertesting.
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Re: Documentary film.
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2010, 09:53:51 AM »

I am impressed with your faith in government Baz... So you think that all the people in the tower who claimed they felt an initial blast from beneath them were lying?

That thermite which is used for... you guessed it demolition was just there for some random unrelated reason.

That it is possible for titanium to vaporise from nothing but jet fuel.

among countless other things that just don't make sense about the whole situation.

Bush got caught out lying over and over again and it all got swept under the rug.
 
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Re: Documentary film.
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2010, 11:40:08 AM »

I obviously have to watch Zeitgeist again, cause i can't really recall all that much. I guess how much you believe of those things, is just how much you are willing to believe. Movies like Zeitgeist and Loose Change are one sided, biased, don't offer a shred of evidence and are all based on anecdotal evidence as well. I'm willing to believe that people would do terrible things to gain money; things that would devastate people's lives. I'm still not willing to believe, and call it faith which i'm still glad i have, that the US government is actively killing its own people in order to make money.

Its what you're willing to believe. When i browse the internet searching for answers to your claims, they are not difficult to find. Titanium and vaporisatoin? Titanium was only used on the outside of the building if at all, and you didn't see the outside vaporise. Thermite is substance used in explosive, but also loads of other things, like paint... and titanium. As for the blasts heard? Well, if you do your best you can find a person to say anything you like. And i believe there where plenty of people out there who where willing to discredit the Bush administration...
We, in the Netherlands, had our own (as in Dutch-made small) documentary that was disproving claims made in those films. And the Netherlands, especially the media which is pretty left wing, where not a Bush-loving nation. Unless there's some world-wide conspiracy going on. And i'm not believing that either... Some people are willing to buy anything. There are plenty of people who believe that claims made in the work of fiction called the Da Vinci Code are truth as well. And that literally is a work of fiction.
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2010, 10:20:42 AM »

The thermite was a particular brand "thermate" used in demolition... there is also footage of the steel support beams which were clearly cut by it.

and I was talking about the titanium the aeroplanes were made of, the one that didn't reach its destination and the one that hit the pentagon both disappeared without a trace.

Then you have all footage of a plane hitting the pentagon being confiscated. They show the twin towers being hit why not the pentagon?

Bush and cheyne flat out refused to be questioned separately, which was specifically requested by the 9/11 commission and they only answered questions on the condition that no records were kept and some other ridiculous conditions.

I will agree that these sorts of docos are fear-mongering to a certain extent and I am not saying you should believe everything they say but to dismiss everything they say is just as bad.

It catches bush lying over and over again. 

 
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2010, 10:45:09 AM »

Well, i downloaded Zeitgeist yesterday, and its standing ready to be watched...

And on that subject, i watched Fahrenheit 9/11 yesterday. I saw it when it came out, and didn't like it much back then, but i decided to give it another chance. Still didn't care for it very much for it is too clearly a work of propaganda, but as far as Bush's role in the attack is concerned, it offers some more reasonable alternatives. Some major errors where made in relation to the investigation that should be taken place afterwards, and Bush can be to blame for that. Or that he failed to see the signs of terrorism, and yes, lying to his people. If he where a bit more transparant of what exactly happened, those conspiracy theories would not have been made...

And the videos of the pentagon being hit where made by security cameras, unlike in NY, and where released later. They should've been released earlier i agree, but they didn't not show the pentagon being hit by US missles, like the documentary Loose Change claimed
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2010, 10:04:07 PM »

Just watched Michael Moore's Capitalism: A true love Story. the movie is a call for a socialist (not communist) government in the US, since capitalism (read banking in the US) didn't work out quite well. Like most of Moore's documentary it was a biased, yet well constructed film. It was not as much propaganda as Fahrenheit, and in the end i really ended up caring for what Moore was preaching. Only a recommended watch if you're into this kind of stuff i guess

Also just watched King Corn. the documentary documents the efforts of 2 guys to grow and follow an acre of corn and see what happends with it after it is harvested. It turned out, as i already knew, that corn, in one way or the other, is in everything the Americans eat. A pretty refreshing film, especially after all the heavy stuff i've been seeing lately

I decided to edit this, otherwise it would be just me replying to myself...
Just re-watched Zeitgeist. I remember watching Loose Change the first time and being pretty amazed with it. I think that, at one point, i even believed the 9/11 attacks where an inside job. But as with most documentaries, when the initial enthusiasm has subsided and was replaced with common sense, i returned to a more critical state of mind. Loose Change sais to offer evidence, but there are many sources that disprove the very same evidence. I guess that in the end it comes down to what you want to believe. Even the people who believe that what the filmmakers claim is true, have to agree that the film is fairly one sided and doesn't offer people a place to disprove their 'findings'. The same goes for Zeitgeist. When watching this film, i couldn’t help to be reminded of Colin Powells  speech where he claimed to have found evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. At that point in time, I believed that the US has found such evidence, and that weapons of mass destruction where to be found in Iraq. Later I had to admit my wrong, and I remember being disappointed with the fact that political powers like the US, could lie to people like this and get away with it. It was a rude awakening. Anyway, the same crept over me when watching Zeitgeist and Loose Change. It is easy to believe this, but if the US Government can lie to you, so can filmmakers.

The film is set up in 3 chapters. The first chapter tackles the issue of religion. This chapter offers zero new insights, although it probably doesn’t intend to, for it agrees that Thomas Pain had the same insights a hundred years ago. People who don’t believe, or have faith, will easily buy it. Religious people will probably be offended, but I doubt a single person will be convinced to lose faith.
The second chapter is the whole conspiracy theory. I said plenty on the subject, but in the end it depends on what you want to believe. Perhaps you’ll call me naïve, but apart from the fact that I don’t want it to be true, I have enough faith in people. Even people as George Bush.
The third chapter says something about the role of the bankers in the US legislation. In  his documentary on Capitalism, Michael Moore tackles the same subject, but does so in a much more believable way. The film takes the train to crazyville the moment they start discussing the fact the same people as the people behind the European Union and the African Union have secretly constructed a North American Union involving Mexico, the US and Canada. They get even crazier in the part where they discuss the chipping of people…

I didn’t really like the movie, which is probably evident, mostly because I don’t believe in global conspiracies. I did not find it a thought evoking film, either.
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Re: Documentary film.
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2010, 12:54:31 AM »

earlieri watched Bigger Faster Stronger, a documentary on the use of steroids in the US, and how they relate to the American dream. it was pretty fun, although seemed to be promoting the use of steroids a bit. it at least offered different points of views, which is not something you see very often...

tonight i watched Helvetica, a documentary on the use of fonts and style in general, going back to the fifties. it was actually allright, if you're into into that sort of things. if you're not, it may appear rather dry.
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2010, 04:55:07 PM »

Watched "Talking Guitars", documentary about a master guitar luthier named Flip Scipio. he has a bunch of famous (and not so famous) clients. If you play guitar, I recommend it. Its very good and interesting to hear the various musicians (and Flip) talk about the guitars in their lives and at a higher level the love of the instrument that comes through. If you don't play guitar, you will probably be bored stiff.
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2010, 06:06:43 AM »

Just watched "The Cove", and I highly recommend it. Its an excellent film, and it p**sed me off terribly. See it.
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2010, 12:23:29 PM »

Yeah, i've seen that too. it's quite horrifying to watch. you really feel for the guy who's leading the activists, for he's one of the reasons dolphins gained such popularity to begin with...

Yesterday i watched Dirt: the Movie. It's a film on the importance of soil, and how we shouldn't do mono-cultural farming and violently harvest the soil for minerals and ores and stuff like that. It was ok. not great, but still ok
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